For real like Bandcamp is exactly the kind of service we *hoped* the internet would give us: “hey, people make things, they set their own price inc. free, we provide the storefront, you buy it and the money goes to the creator, you get it in a DRM-free format and can play it however you want, we just make money to keep going & improving and aren’t a VC-funded nightmare company of rampant reckless growth that will do something nightmarish and implode.”
We need more media platforms like that.
@kara what are your thoughts on itch . io?
@kara if some albums weren't asking for like $10+ (trust me that's quite a lot of money to ask me for) and if lots of rather mainstream artists weren't missing I would absolutely just use Bandcamp tbh
1. other places are too cheap.
2. we, the consumers, are used to that too-low-price.
3. for some, this is the price needed to survive.
4. some people are willing to pay that price.
I'm not anti-capitalist, but the capitalism we see is often a race-to-the-bottom, where prices of any goods (including music) are ever pushed downwards by a few large monoplist' platforms.
It's actually tricky i think, more privileged people can sink more resources into getting popular enough. Don't think it is necessarily the role of these services to compensate for that, but something has to exist for it? (this is a big topic, overlapping with education, i suppose, probably some things already exist)
@kara magnatune still exists too and they're pretty good
@amsomniac I wondered about magnatunes – did you pay $300 for their entire catalogue?
Gumroad.com is very similar, but for authors. Highly recommended.
@kara they don't even attempt obfuscate or use DRM to protect their free online playback. The browser is just streaming a regular MP3 file.
Compare that to YouTube which has a complex system that is still easily scraped by one of several open source tools.
Here's how youtube-dl handles it:
@kara For hobby electronics stuff I use Tindie in a similar way.
@kara itch.io for games too. I remember trying to publish my hobbyist games online before itch.io and platforms like that existing makes *such* a difference.
@kara Very much agree! They also have built in support for Creative Commons licenses. Though, not a way to list or search only CC licensed music, AFAIK
@kara I've been living under a rock. I never knew Bandcamp even existed till now.
Thank you for mentioning it
@kara while your post is technically good and right about Bandcamp, let's not forget it's not as good as it used to be.
We lost a lot of good features put behind paywalls or simply disappeared with time. I guess it's due to popularity, but yes, it's still one of the best platform for what it does in their field.
@kara @jaycie bandcamp is absolutely my first choice for both buying and selling music. I’ve also started using them as a soundcloud alternative since their embedding player is pretty decent (they’re missing a lot of SoundCloud features but those features end up not being useful or even a net positive anyway)
@kara before patreon eventually implodes from fucking their creators and users over to extract more money from them both, Bandcamp should create a patreon style monthly option and open up to more than just musicians in order to capture that userbase
@kara very true. I would like to see some re-imagined, federated version where you could post music directly to the fediverse, but bandcamp has done pretty well allowing for artistic freedom.
@kara Ditto itch.io
@kara i've been using bandcamp more and i like that it has a few ways for me to find new music.
i wish gumroad was better at that. i have a hard time finding the sort of stuff i'm looking for unless i've been pointed to a specific creator/work from somewhere else.
@kara bandcamp is a great service and if some albums were on it i would purchase them there
@kara you've perfectly described why bandcamp is so wonderful. I can choose whatever format I want, too, and yeah, the best perk is that most of the $ goes directly to the creators, as it always should have. One of my favorite bands has all their stuff on there and I love them even more for that. Also, BC is nice for usually letting you stream preview the entire album before buying, which is important to me. Thanks for this!
@kara it be happy with more startups like that too. Been in too many that yearly reorg, pivot, and explode.
@kara I love Bandcamp. SO many amazing bands on there. I buy a few albums a month.
@kara looked at ko-fi on paper seemed similar to me. Saw one funded by an account on the site itself Gratipay i think? now liberapay. That''s also possibly a good arrangement.
Of course, really it should be fair and be able to raise for emergencies, i suppose.
@kara It's that kind of internet I like most. It's full of great content, both music and music writings. I've been bandcamping for a long time now and almost stopped using Spotify and other major streaming services, because they treat artists only as a tool which gives money to the platform. Artists earn ~80% of the price paid by users on Bandcamp.
@kara no open api though ;-;
@kara I think itch is kind of doing a similar thing with video games? sure has a similar feeling, anyways
Ujomusic.com and ampled.com is also pretty interesting similar to Bandcamp.
@kara Gumroad and Bandcamp are two of my favorite sites for this reason. Ko-fi is close, but it doesn't have the name recognition or base of created accounts of Patreon. But neither did Patreon a few years ago...
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