tl;dr of the reports of a cop instance going around 

The admin of hackers.town recently posted hackers.town/@thegibson/101693 (cw: glancing allusion to prison rape) - a sampling of slides from a presentation in which they identified themself as a "Proud Member of FBI Infragard".

For those not familiar, InfraGard is a non-profit "partnership between the FBI and members of the private sector" that "provides a vehicle for seamless public-private collaboration with government that expedites the timely exchange of information and promotes mutual learning opportunities relevant to the protection of Critical Infrastructure", according to its website (linked from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfraGar which says much the same).

As you might imagine, a great many people are upset that a large fediverse instance is being run by someone who describes themselves as proud to be involved in the funneling of information to the FBI, especially given the long history of FBI informants being made to infiltrate left-wing groups for spying and entrapment purposes. See for example berries.space/@undyne/10169411 from @undyne.

I think that probably gives everyone enough context to make decisions.

re: tl;dr of the reports of a cop instance going around 

@packbat Thanks for the explanation. But I confess I don't get it.

What people post on the fediverse is basically public. Are people imagining that if they defederate this one instance where this one guy has publicly noted that he some kind of affiliation with the FBI... that various shadowy three-letter-agencies will suddenly *not* have the ability to the read their toaster memes and/or foment discord in the form of hot takes?

re: tl;dr of the reports of a cop instance going around 

@varx people just don't want to associate with or trust someone who works with cops. It has nothing to do with trying to protect ourselves from spying and everything to do with basic everyday avoidance of shitty people.

re: tl;dr of the reports of a cop instance going around 

@beebs That kind of makes sense... except I've followed TheGibson for a while and they seem like a nice person. The other denizens of hackers.town: Also nice, from what I've seen.

Knowing that someone works with an organization that works with the FBI tells you literally nothing. Are they investigating phone scams that prey on the elderly? Surveilling activists? Researching financial fraud? You don't actually know.

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re: tl;dr of the reports of a cop instance going around 

@varx you know that their judgment is so poor they are willing to work with a racist fascist gang, a fact that is particularly important when they aren't merely "working with" the fascist gang, but actually label themselves as a "Proud Member" of it.

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re: Infragard vs. FBI; what does the FBI actually do 

@beebs I once made a phone call to the FBI to report that a relative had been scammed over the phone.

If I managed to catch such a scammer and get their dox, I would *happily* work with the FBI to bring that scammer down.

Does that mean that I have "poor judgment" and would "work with a racist, fascist gang"?

re: Infragard vs. FBI; what does the FBI actually do 

@varx do people who report scammers to the FBI call themselves "Proud Members of the FBI"?

re: Infragard vs. FBI; what does the FBI actually do 

@beebs Kinda sensing a lack of good faith discussion here. Oh well.

re: Infragard vs. FBI; what does the FBI actually do 

@varx oh sorry for not cheerfully indulging your questioning of people whose lives are threatened by the FBI taking steps to set boundaries to protect themselves. I definitely should fawn over your precious little feelings because you don't understand the way other people are protecting themselves from violent fascists.

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