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Plurality (-), request for advice 

We don't really have a headspace & that' distressing
i know it's valid not to have one
But it's distressing because we NEED one
& everything we try doesn't work
Praying, begging, trying to focus inside our mind and meditating
Like, we close our eyes & all we see inside are shapes that are constantly shifting, there's absolutely no permanence or stability
We can't "hold onto" images in our head at all, it's dark & murky, like shifting smoke
Anyone have any advice?

Plurality (-), request for advice 

Ok to boost btw

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Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood :pixel_heart_teal:

we don't have any advice ourselves because we haven't gotten around to building one yet, but do you want boosts?

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@IceWolf ok to boost

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood I know one other plural, paging xem now. Any advice, @astralwolfwitch?

re: Plurality (-), request for advice 

@AmethystDragon @Dogwood hi. not every system has an inner world, (we've been working on ours for a while now and it is still fragmentary and evasive at best.)
but also maybe your inner space is a shifting smoke and shape; constant change is a form of permanence. does it have a source? even if it's one you can't see?

bound collective

re: Plurality (-), request for advice 

@astralwolfwitch @AmethystDragon
it's more like... images constantly shifting, impossible to hold onto any specific images, things getting wildly distorted, shapes and images and thoughts coming randomly into our head, often in a way where it's like "this is literally more stressful than just staring at a wall for an hour"

I know not every system has one but it's just eternally distressing for us not to because we really need one

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood the above ive seen on the issue in the past basically amounts to "start small, try visualizing simple geometric shapes and work your way up" and "just keep practicing, you're probably not gonna get it on the first try but if you keep at it it'll happen eventually"
idk if that helps but, good luck!

Plurality (-), poor advice 

@Dogwood
We don't have much but if it helps any our headspace

-shifts a lot
-places are seemingly disconnected from other places
-the areas i made up or tried to make up are inconsistent
-the mostly consistent areas are real life places im very familiar with
-and it's very dreamlike in how sometimes we're in one space and then we're in another, and in how things fit together
-honestly headpsace experiences seem to tend toward dreamlike generally

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Plurality (-), poor advice 

@Dogwood
So if you're expecting something clear and consistent, it might be worth lowering your expectations. It might be that trying to force it isn't helping.

It might also be something akin to aphantasia, so how are you in terms of "picturing" non-visual sensory things? (Smell, touch/texture, movement, etc). Idk exactly how it could work but could be worth considering making a non-visual space, as if you were blind?

Plurality (-), poor advice 

@certifiedperson yeah it's just like, really hard because when we need headspace it's like "okay i need a calm spot on the shore of the sea right now" but what i get is that shoreline morphing into something else and our brain just getting filled with all sorts of random chaotic images and it's like "hey this is the opposite of what we requested"

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@certifiedperson
Like it'll sometimes be more chaotic and distressing than what's going on in the world around us which is like, counterproductive much?

also sometimes our mental images get flooded with centipedes when trying to just close our eyes and relax which is just Unspeakable Torture

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@Dogwood
Ah yeah wow that does sound really difficult and stressful! I'm sorry i can't help more, and i do hope you can find something that suits you

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood are you normally able to visualize things in your mind?

We have some degree of aphantasia where we can't really visualize or imagine things in our mind visually and it's definitely not helpful when trying to build a headspace

Perhaps if that's an issue for y'all in general it will need to be another type of headspace that's not so visual, but unfortunately we haven't gotten there yet either

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood We have trouble visualizing in general, but have a really vivid kinesthetic sense, so that's how we generally perceive our space: through how it /feels/ to us and how we feel to each other.

Now I'm getting curious about if our vision issues play into it, since folks with different ways of perceiving the world tend to dream in such ways, too.

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood singlet here, but I'm friends with a multiple system (LB Lee) and this page which they helped build links a couple resources related to headspace. healthymultiplicity.com/ As far as I can tell two of them, a blog post by my friend and part of a book, are about building headspace.

re: Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood Everyone's inner world is Different. Some of my plural and Spirit friends dwell in amazing silver castles, while others live in an encampment, in a Clearing, in the great Spirit Forests, like they're on Deployment in Vietnam.

The important part is to figure out where you Are, what you can Do with it, and start Building Structures. They don't have to be Physical, but it can Help.

On our end? Our headspace? Floating islands and Castles in the sky. They just needed to be Rebuilt and Refloated.

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood it might help to imagine it via other senses. can you find out create a stable texture in your headspace? what does it smell like? even if visuals change rapidly, do they make a certain noise as they do?

re: Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood I get the feeling creating a headspace is one of those things that varies between systems. We don't really need ours because we hardly spend any time in it, but we ended up creating one anyway.

I'd suggest trying to get inspired. Look up ideas for what you want it to look like, then if something sticks, build on it. Our headspace is actually loosely based off of the original Oculus Home environment, which was a sort of penthouse suite.

Best of luck!

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood try... drawing the shapes? Adding a physical plane on which the shifting spaces may find some permanency and ability to be located in space may help?
It may end up looking like a bubble map or overlapping territories, it doesn't need to look a certain way, and constructing imaginative space is a lot of work to maintain.
I have a hard time filling in fine details, so most of my headspace uses a blurry, chunky impressionistic feel to soften the mental work

Plurality (-), request for advice 

@Dogwood I'm too tired to read every response posted here so sorry if someone got to this.

We don't have an inner space, period, possibly because we share a condition called Afantasia, an inability to visualize imagery. Speaking for myself, I can conjure up images here and there but they're vague and slip away.

We've just learned to coexist in a different way, without emulating real world space because that would be, simply, impossible for us.

-Katie

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